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Series 8: Sound recordings (continued)
Subseries 1: Artists, bands, and interviews (continued)
Jimmy Walker and Erwin Helfer - Nelson Dixon, March 1, 1964 (continued)
Rack number: RXH 4170
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (Side 1: 00:22:22) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, mono ; 7 in.
Archivist's note: Side 2 has not yet been digitized. Collector's original number: 277.
Vendor's digitization note: The Side 1 program is distorted at times, and there are speed fluctuations from the tape.
Side 1
Time Content
Start "I Don't Know" performed by Erwin Helfer. A vocal piece.
00:03:18 "47th Street Stomp" performed by Jimmy Walker and Nelson Dixon. A vocal piece.
00:09:18 "Run Here, Mama" performed by Jimmy Walker and Erwin Helfer. A vocal piece.
00:11:52 "Pinetop's Boogie" performed by Nelson Dixon on the piano.
00:14:57 "Sweet Patootie" performed by Jimmy Walker and Erwin Helfer on the pianos.
00:19:55 "Freddie" performed by Nelson Dixon on the piano.
00:22:22 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR308 Phillip Walker - proposed album for Joliet Productions, undated
Rack number: RXH 4194
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (Side 1: 00:17:18, Side 2: 00:18:04) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, stereo ; 7 in.
Logger's note: Produced by Bruce Bromberg.
Side 1
Time Content
Start "Sure Is Cold" by Philip Walker
00:04:10 An unidentified blues song. Lyrics: "I got to find me a part-time love, can't you see I am gonna have your part-time love. People in the cemetery, they are not alone...I suffer the whole time she is gone"
00:06:48 "El Paso Blues" by Philip Walker
00:11:20 Don't Tell Me by Philip Walker
00:14:45 An unidentified blues song. Lyrics: "As of now between the two of us...if we can, I am alone, you gave me strength to go on, you gave me hope, I've been to the city and country, but I just can't find a woman like you"
00:17:18 End
Side 2
Time Content
Start An unidentified blues song.
00:02:43 An unidentified blues song. Lyrics: "Get in trouble with the Lord, hard time to get down to Texas, follow me all the way to Arkansas...did my best to get along...couldn't find no job and no money"
00:07:00 An unidentified blues song. Lyrics: "Leaving home all alone, hoping for one kiss, be loud and clear, and world just spelled your name...tired of being alone...hang in there if you belong to someone else"
00:10:00 An unidentified blues song. Lyrics: "Come here son, and I will try to make you see, son your mama is gone. Come here son, have your daddy be your man, let us both try to understand"
00:13:50 An unidentified blues song. Lyrics: "When I need to get it done, God is good, He is good. If you have a real heart break, don't worry...turn around to the bright side...Look up to Jesus, He is watching you..." [The song title is possibly "When It Needs Gettin' Done"]
00:18:04 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR309 Philip Walker, undated
Rack number: RXH 4195
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (00:15:22) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, stereo ; 7 in.
Time Content
Start "Bottom Of the Top"
00:03:27 "The Zipper" [An instrumental piece]
00:05:32 "Laughin' and Clownin'"
00:09:26 "If We Can Find It"
00:11:50 "Hello Central"
00:15:22 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR616 T-Bone Walker, undated
Rack number: RXH 5477
Extent: 1 sound tape reel : analog ; 7 in.
May be a dub copy of a two-disc commercial album.
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR669 Washboard Sam (Robert Brown), RCA (French) 130-256 / Jazz Gillum (William Gillum), RCA (French) 130-257, undated
Rack number: RXH 5546
Extent: 1 sound tape reel : analog ; 7 in.
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR360 Vince Weber and Axel Zwingenberger: Solos and Duets, August 20-21, 1975
Rack number: RXH 4603
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (00:59:58): analog, 3 3/4 ips, stereo ; 5 in.
Recorded in Hamburg, West Germany.
Archivist's note: Because the beginning and end of certain works was uncertain, some of the titles appear in the log without a time marker.
Vendor's digitization note: The program is distorted at times. The right channel is silent from about 00:25:07 to about 00:27:46.
Time Content
Start "Suitcase Blues" (Zwingenberger and Weber)
00:05:52 "Monday Struggle"/"Lux's Boogie" (1st version)/159 blues (Zwingenberger)
n/a "She's A Lady But She Loves Me"/"You Ain't No Street Walker, Honey" (Weber)
n/a "Boogie Woogie Chase" (Zwingenberger and Weber)/"Two Pianos Boogie" (Zwingenberger and Weber)
n/a "Lux's Boogie" (2nd version)/"Boogie Woogie Jump"/"Randini's Boogie"/"V-Disc Stomp" (Zwingenberger)
n/a "V and A Boogie"/"Foot Pedal Boogie" (Zwingenberger and Weber)
00:59:58 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR554 Smoky Babe / Otis Webster, undated
Rack number: RXH 5415
Extent: 1 sound tape reel : analog, stereo ; 7 in.
"H. Oster" (probably Harry Oster) also appears on the tape box. Collector's original ID number: 72.
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR310 Pete Welding #1 - Instrumental songs, undated
Rack number: RXH 4196
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (00:12:42) : analog, 15 ips, stereo ; 7 in.
Vendor's digitization note: The program is distorted at times, and there is significant hiss from the tape.
Time Content
Start "Bossa Nova"
00:02:04 "Bitonal Fantasy"
00:04:45 "Mini-Rocker"
00:07:20 "You Could Be The One"
00:09:50 "12-string Song"
00:12:42 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR311 Pete Welding #2 - B.S., undated
Rack number: RXH 4197
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (00:09:40) : analog, 15 ips, stereo ; 7 in.
Archivist's note: See SR312 and SR313.
Vendor's digitization note: Significant hiss from the tape.
Logger's note: From the tape box - #2 P.W. - B.S. A handwritten note on the box from Darlene Welding reads, "Pete, from time to time, would record music that he played and wrote."
Time Content
Start An unidentified instrumental piece #1 played by the guitar, keyboard and other instruments.
00:03:30 An unidentified instrumental piece #2 played by the guitar, keyboard and other instruments.
00:06:45 An unidentified instrumental piece #3 played by the guitar, keyboard and other instruments.
00:09:40 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR312 Pete Welding Songs #3 - Pete Welding, guitar, undated
Rack number: RXH 4198
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (00:38:10) : analog, 3 3/4 ips, stereo ; 7 in.
Archivist's note: See SR311 and SR313.
Vendor's digitization note: The program is distorted at times, and there is high frequency noise the tape.
Time Content
Start An unidentified blue songs. Lyrics: "Having problem in Texas, got in trouble with the law, following me all the way to Arkansas. I tried very hard in Arkansas, I did my very best to get along, got no job and no money"
00:04:20 An unidentified blue songs. Lyrics: "Laying home alone, starving for your love, hungry for one kiss, be so loud and clear, the world spells your name"
00:07:25 An unidentified blue songs. Lyrics: "Come here son, I try to make you see, son your mama is gone. Have daddy be your man, let's both try to understand"
00:11:21 An unidentified blue songs. Lyrics: "When I need to get it done, God is good, He is good. If you have a real heart break, don't worry...turn around to the bright side...Look up to Jesus, He is watching you..." [The song title is possibly "When It Needs Gettin' Done"]
00:15:43 "Sure Is Cold" by Philip Walker
00:20:00 An unidentified blues song. Lyrics: "I got to find me a part-time love, can't you see I am gonna have your part-time love. People in the cemetery, they are not alone...I suffer the whole time she is gone"
00:22:43 "El Paso Blues" by Philip Walker
00:27:15 An unidentified blues song. Lyrics: "Oh baby, don't stop loving me"
00:30:50 "Key to the Highway" [cut off at 30:04]
00:33:13 An unidentified blues song. Lyrics: "I got a feeling, you think that I am your fool, stop all the cheating, stop all the lying too, the more I tried to miss you, the more you cheated and lied"
00:36:00 An unidentified song breaks off.
00:36:20 "Don't Tell Me" by Philip Walker. [Breaks off]
00:38:10 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR313 Pete Welding (#4) and Zaven Jambazian, undated
Rack number: RXH 4199
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (00:15:59) : analog, 15 ips, stereo ; 7 in.
Archivist's note: See SR311 and SR312.
Logger's note: Note on the tape box, written by Darlene Welding - "Pete liked to Jam [sic] with friends in his home. This tape is a recording of one session Zaven on Harmonica, Pete on gtr."
Time Content
Start An unidentified instrumental piece played by the harmonica, guitar, keyboard, and other instruments.
00:03:11 An unidentified instrumental piece played on the harmonica, guitar, keyboard, and other instruments.
00:06:07 An unidentified instrumental piece played on the harmonica, guitar, keyboard, and other instruments.
00:09:28 An unidentified instrumental piece played on the guitars, keyboard, and other instruments.
00:13:20 An unidentified instrumental piece played on the guitars, keyboard and other instruments.[breaks off]
00:15:59 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR552 Junior Wells, Eddie Burns, Hudson Showers, undated
Rack number: RXK 1300
Extent: 1 sound tape reel : analog ; 7 in.
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR296 Mr. and Mrs. Whipple - audition, undated
Rack number: RXH 4182
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (00:19:40) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, mono ; 7 in.
Archivist's note: Unidentified duo (woman and man, one playing an out-of-tune guitar) perform several songs. Side 2 has not yet been digitized.
Vendor's digitization note: The program is distorted at times.
Side 1
Time Content
Start An unidentified gospel song sung by a duet of a male and female singer. Lyrics: "He forgives, and forgives...his motto was to forgive one another, Jesus forgives and forgives"
00:00:58 The above song breaks off.
00:01:23 An unidentified gospel song. Lyrics: "Remember the words, Jesus died for you and me upon the cross in Calvary, sinners won't you listen to what I have to say, Jesus is coming"
00:04:20 An unidentified gospel song. Lyrics: "I call Lord My Savior, I know he will hear my prayer, I tell him of my trouble, Lord help me not to complain"
00:05:35 The above song breaks off and starts over again.
00:08:33 An unidentified gospel song. Lyrics: "I was walking alone down the valley, and I heard a sweet voice, says sinners come home...Lord is my shepherd that I shall not want"
00:10:46 An unidentified gospel song. Lyrics: "While I was praying somebody touches me, it must have been the hands of the Lord, glory glory, somebody touches me"
00:12:50 The interviewers suggests the musicians sing "He Got The Whole World in His Hands." The female singer sings the fragment of the song.
00:16:38 An unidentified gospel song. Lyrics: "My Savior has done for me, I was lost, he reached down his hands for me"
00:19:40 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR627 Bukka White blues dubs / Charlie Patton blues dubs, undated
Rack number: RXK 1301
Extent: 1 sound tape reel : analog ; 7 in.
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR340 King Super 20 Saxophone Showcase, May 28, 1961
Rack number: RXH 4225
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (00:10:14) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, half track, mono ; 4 1/2 in.
Archivist's note: Produced by D. Wooley; the commercial recording was released by the H.N. White Co. on May 28, 1961.
Vendor's digitization note: The program is distorted at times.
Time Content
Start Announcement Dick Wooley about the King Super 20 saxophone
00:00:31 "All the King's Blues"
00:03:41 "Gone with the Wind"
00:05:40 "Speak Low"
00:08:08 "Class Break at Cool School"
00:10:14 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR189 Robert Wilkins interview, January 30, 1965
Rack number: RXH 4072
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (acetate, 00:59:36) : analog, 3 3/4 ips, full track, mono ; 7 in.
Time Content
Start Pete Welding (PW) and Robert Wilkins (RW) are discussing the differences between blues and sacred songs and how RW believes you can only sing one genre or the other at a time.
00:00:41 PW and RW say blues songs are the songs of the body and sacred songs are the songs of the soul. RW states, "The body is the temple... only one spirit can dwell in that body at a time."
00:01:10 RW explains blues songs are evil songs and of the devil because they often deal with songs of mistreatment between a man and woman.
00:01:47 PW asks, "What do you feel makes a blues, a blues? How is it different from other songs?" RW responds by saying blues is an inward feeling that has occurred to you and causes you to become sorry or grievous. It results in a blues singer singing about the feeling and others can relate to the same feeling.
00:03:32 RW explains the only way to get relief from the spiritual soul is to praise the Lord
00:05:00 PW reiterates that by singing the blues you can only relieve yourself from bodily and emotional troubles
00:05:33 PW ask RW if he thinks about the other people involved when he creates his rhymes and PW wants to know RW's process of writing blues songs. RW mentions his song "The Auction Day Blues."
00:07:22 PW ask RW where he was born, what year, how he got interested in playing and singing and was any one in his family musical. RW answers by saying he was born in Hernando, Mississippi in 1896 and none of his family members were musical except his grandfather on his mother's side who played the fiddle.
00:07:57 RW explains the different types of songs the teenagers used to play on his porch and in the community when he was around 7 years old. He says they used to play blues, ragtime and hillbilly songs on the guitar. RW mentions the teenagers would play "The St. Louis Buck" and would buck dance (referring to tap dancing) while performing the songs.
00:10:27 RW explains he received his first guitar from his mom when he was fifteen years old and no one taught him how to tune or play his guitar. He began to learn "Alabama Blues," "The Buck Time Blues," and other blues songs were mentioned.
00:12:53 PW asks RW if there were any musicians in the area that people used to say were great blues men when he was young. RW mentions Aaron [Tiller?].
00:14:45 PW ask "What kind of occasions would you play music for?" RW responds with picnics and Saturday night fish fries at people's houses.
00:15:40 RW discusses his father, step-father and mother
00:16:47 PW ask RW if he played the same style of music for Black and White audience members. RW mentions the "Rain Dance" and describes how often he played and how much money he made.
00:20:03 RW discusses how he knew he had a gift of playing music
00:22:17 RW tells PW the guest musicians he remembered coming to play at Fall each year such as Jim Jackson and Elijah [Averret or Avern?] who would dance, do black face and crack jokes.
00:25:25 RW says he moved to Memphis on January 1, 1915 when he was almost 19 years old because his mother was tired of farming. During that time, he was not playing at events.
00:28:47 RW discusses how he began to play music again after Rev. Macintosh asked him. During this time, he recorded "Jail House" and "I Do."
00:32:10 PW asks RW how he came to perform music two years later with people like Sonny Boy and Spoon.
00:35:32 RW discusses the album he made in 1935 and why he is called Tim. RW later mentions that the 1935 album was the last album he made until recent.
00:39:18 PW asks RW why he quit music in 1936, why RW decided to stop playing blues music and begin playing religious music, and his experiences practicing medicine and church work.
00:44:55 PW asks RW if he has written any religious music. RW responds saying he has written religious music and how 2/3 of music in the blues form comes from religious music.
00:48:07 PW asks RW who were some of the big blues musicians working when RW was still in Memphis. RW says Jim Jackson and Frank Stokes were big names playing normally at houses and for parties.
00:51:15 PW and RW discuss how blues songs are considered sin songs.
00:56:05 RW explains the way he plays guitar is not different when comparing blues and religious songs.
00:58:19 PW asks RW what he does as a musician now. RW says he plays at different churches.
00:59:29 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR032 Big Joe Williams interview #1, circa June 1964
Rack number: RXH 3171
Extent: on one side of 1 sound tape reel (00:47:20) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, half track, mono ; 7 in.
Archivist's note: The tape box indicates this is Thomas A. Dorsey interview #3, but it is the interview with Big Joe Williams #1. SR032 and SR036 include the same recording. It is unclear which is original and which is the duplicate.
Time Content
Start Pete Welding (PW) asks Poor Joe Williams [a.k.a. Big Joe Williams] (JW) where and when he was born and about his family. JW replies at length. He was born in Crofton, Mississippi on October 16, 1898 (or so). His father was a sharecropper.
00:04:03 JW says built his first guitar when he was 5 or 6 years old. He explains how he tuned it and made music.
00:07:15 JW talks about the songs he was playing on his first home made guitar. He talks about where he heard these songs. He talks about picnics and parties.
00:11:00 JW says that his nickname was "Poor Joe" A girl friend gave him this name.
00:11:58 PW and JW go back to discuss playing music in his childhood days. He first played on the bottom of a water bucket.
00:13:45 Joe talks about other people in his family who made music.
00:17:08 Joe talks about the racial mix of his grandparents. They were part American Indian.
00:17:40 Joe talks about making a cigar box guitar.
00:20:00 PW asks if other people were playing bottleneck or slide guitar. JW responds that some people used a knife instead of a bottleneck.
00:20:52 PW asks if there were any really good musicians down around where he lived. JW responds.
00:22:47 PW and JW talk about JW's first real guitar. It was a 12 string he got when he was 15 or 16 years old.
00:23:50 PW asks if any of Joe's brothers or sisters were musicians. JW answers that, then talks about his mother and his father.
00:25:40 PW and JW talk about JW "roaming around" the country. They discuss the music he played (on the street) to earn money.
00:27:04 PW asks JW where he learned his songs and also about the songs JW wrote.
00:30:55 JW talks about returning home after a period of "tough luck."
00:31:44 JW talks about the first record he made, about 1921. He talks about other recordings.
00:36:38 JW talks about how he earned his living in the 1920s. He talks at length about picnics, dances, women and whiskey.
00:42:01 JW talks about the tunes he played in those days. He talks about getting payed for playing.
00:43:49 PW asks JW if he ran into any trouble with the law. JW responds.
00:44:40 JW talks about the kinds of places he played and some of the people he played with.
00:47:20 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR036 Big Joe Williams interview #1, circa June 1964
Rack number: RXH 3175
Extent: on one side of 1 sound tape reel (00:47:20) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, half track, mono ; 7 in.
Archivist's note: SR032 and SR036 include the same content. It is unclear which is original and which is the duplicate.
Time Content
Start Pete Welding (PW) asks Poor Joe Williams [a.k.a. Big Joe Williams] (JW) where and when he was born and about his family. JW replies at length. He was born in Crofton, Mississippi on October 16, 1898 (or so). His father was a share cropper.
00:04:03 JW says built his first guitar when he was 5 or 6 years old. He explains how he tuned it and made music.
00:07:15 JW talks about the songs he was playing on his first home made guitar. He talks about where he heard these songs. He talks about picnics and parties.
00:11:00 JW says that his nickname was "Poor Joe" A girl friend gave him this name.
00:11:58 PW and JW go back to discuss playing music in his childhood days. He first played on the bottom of a water bucket.
00:13:45 Joe talks about other people in his family who made music.
00:17:08 Joe talks about the racial mix of his grandparents. They were part American Indian.
00:17:40 Joe talks about making a cigar box guitar.
00:20:00 PW asks if other people were playing bottleneck or slide guitar. JW responds that some people used a knife instead of a bottleneck.
00:20:52 PW asks if there were any really good musicians down around where he lived. JW responds.
00:22:47 PW and JW talk about JW's first real guitar. It was a 12 string he got when he was 15 or 16 years old.
00:23:50 PW asks if any of Joe's brothers or sisters were musicians. JW answers that, then talks about his mother and his father.
00:25:40 PW and JW talk about JW "roaming around" the country. They discuss the music he played (on the street) to earn money.
00:27:04 PW asks JW where he learned his songs and also about the songs JW wrote.
00:30:55 JW talks about returning home after a period of "tough luck."
00:31:44 JW talks about the first record he made, about 1921. He talks about other recordings.
00:36:38 JW talks about how he earned his living in the 1920s. He talks at length about picnics, dances, women and whiskey.
00:42:01 JW talks about the tunes he played in those days. He talks about getting payed for playing.
00:43:49 PW asks JW if he ran into any trouble with the law. JW responds.
00:44:40 JW talks about the kinds of places he played and some of the people he played with.
00:47:20 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR037 Big Joe Williams interview #2, circa June 1964
Rack number: RXH 3176
Extent: on one side of 1 sound tape reel (00:44:25) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, half track, mono ; 7 in.
Time Content
Start JW talks about the mules owned by his grandfather. One of the mules was named Joe. He talks about the other mules He also talks about Christmas and drinking whiskey.
00:03:25 JW talks about his great-grandmother, Mae (?). She told him about praying during slave times. She came from Africa when she was about 16.
00:05:23 JW talks about both of his great-grandmothers on his father's side. One was named Roxie.
00:06:07 PW asks if JW's father was a musician. JW answers. PW asks where JW first heard the blues. JW responds
00:07:26 PW asks if JW got to hear phonograph records when he was a kid. JW responds.
00:08:54 PW asks JW if he ever played in a whore house. JW says "Sure, indeed," then talks at length about the experience.
00:16:10 PW asks how many records JW made in 1927 when he was recording for Vocalion Records. JW responds and talks about recording in Atlanta, Georgia. JW explains how he prepared for a recording session. He talks at length about a musicians club.
00:24:26 JW says he would go and play "where ever the money wuz (sic)." He talks at length about Blind Lemon Jefferson. He mentions the song "Mean Snake Blues" and Victoria Spivey who recorded it in about 1921. (Note: It was actually recorded in 1926.) He talks about Lonnie Johnson.
00:27:55 PW asks about Piano Willie. JW responds. He mentions a Blind Willie. More talk about Blind Lemon - the way he tuned his guitar and his finder picking style.
00:29:30 PW asks about Jack White. JW responds. More talk about Blind Lemon, including how and where he died.
00:33:15 They talk about JW's records, songs and labels. He recorded under several different names.
00:37:55 PW asks "who else did you record for in the late 20s and early 30s." JW replies.
00:39:23 PW asks when JW came across Mayo Williams. JW answers.
00:41:25 PW asks when JW stopped recording for Bluebird. JW responds and says he moved to Columbia records. He also recorded for Trumpet records.
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR038 Big Joe Williams interview #3, June 7, 1964
Rack number: RXH 3177
Extent: on one side of 1 sound tape reel (00:47:51) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, half track, mono ; 7 in.
Time Content
Start JW talks about the first things he remembers from when he was a little kid.
00:02:02 JW sings a religious song He learned from his grandmother. He talks about the song. He also talks about his grandfather being a sharecropper and how sharecropping worked.
00:05:50 JW talks about the sharecropping system. He also talks about the rental farming system.
00:08:55 JW talks about when he was a little kid, running away from his grandfather's place.
00:10:30 JW talks about his mother and his father. JW and PW talk about teen years then and now, and community standards.
00:15:52 JW talks about his parents growing up together. He talks about his step-father. He sings a song called "Mean step-Father."
00:20:10 PW asks about John Williams, JW's father. JW talks about his parents, grandparents and step-father. His mother and father were not married.
00:23:08 JW talks about staying with his aunts, uncles, and cousins when he was growing up. He says his full name is Joe Lee Williams.
00:25:34 JW talks about going to school (or not). HE talks about running away from home.
00:27:45 JW talks about playing a bucket. He talks about his grandfather's whipping belt.
00:31:00 JW sings a hymn "As Long As I Can Feel the Spirit." He learned this from his grandmother. He talks about his grandmother and grandfather.
00:32:36 JW talks about his suit and outfit. HE talks about his grandfather's mare. He talks about a family (Gilmore) he lived with until he was about 21 years old.
00:35:10 JW talks about a saw mill in Macon Mississippi where he worked.
00:39:58 JW talks about how much money the saw mill workers were paid. He talks about living in saw mill camps.
00:42:23 JW talks about music and musicians in the saw mill camps.
00:44:45 PW asks, "How old do you think the blues are?" PW answers.
00:47:51 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR039 Big Joe Williams interview #4, June 7, 1964
Rack number: RXH 3178
Extent: on one side of 1 sound tape reel (00:47:46) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, half track, mono ; 7 in.
Time Content
Start JW talks about catching fish, cooking them and making corn bread.
00:02:11 JW talks about fish fries.
00:06:02 PW asks about the kind of music played at a fish fry. JW replies.
00:07:13 (Note: The recording picks up at this point from SR038 ). JW talks about lumber camps.
00:07:38 PW asks about medicine shows. JW replies. The shows came to towns, not lumber camps. JW talks about the kinds of acts/performances in the shows. JW started travelling with medicine shows when he was 9 years old.
00:10:20 PW asks how medicine shows were put together and how did they travel. JW replies.
00:12:52 JW talks about his performing - dancing while playing the guitar.
00:14:11 JW talks a jug band he played with and recording with them.
00:15:40 JW talks about a "bad man" called King of the M and O Bottom, from Tuscaloosa, Alabama. (Note: JW said this person's name is something like "Toxie Cane")
00:20:33 JW talks about a week long picnic and hay ride in the wood in the late 1920s. He talks about the band that played.
00:23:56 PW asks when the "J.C. Collins thing (?)" was recorded. PW replies that it was 1927. JW then discusses this in some detail.
00:25:37 JW talks about his time playing and travelling with minstrel shows. He talks about how he was paid.
00:29:00 JW talks about some of the musicians who were part of the shows.
00:32:54 PW asks how JW got to make his first record. JW replies.
00:37:38 JW talks about King Solomon Hill. It was both a place in Alabama and a record label. JW talks about Bullet Williams and several other musicians.
00:39:26 JW talks, at length, about a harp player called George "Brother" Williams.
00:43:25 PW asks JW about when he was starting out as a musician, how did he know where to go to play music. JW replies.
00:45:31 PW asks JW when he knew he had a gift for music. JW answers and talks about some of the earliest songs he heard.
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR040 Big Joe Williams interview #5, June 7, 1964
Rack number: RXH 3179
Extent: on one side of 1 sound tape reel (00:48:00) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, half track, mono ; 7 in.
Time Content
Start JW tells a story about looking for treasure in 1943 or so.
00:02:52 JW tells another story about hunting for treasure with a money needle made of baling wire. He also talks about money diggers.
00:08:45 PW asks about ghosts. JW tells a story about a picnic and a ghost.
00:10:05 JW talks about a sharp shooter named Kenny Wagner.
00:16:10 JW talks about Joe DeMoorehead (?), Kid Washington (?), and someone called Blue Steel.
00:22:08 JW talks about Kid Washington being a gambler. He talks about what Blue Steel is doing now.
00:26:16 PW asks JW who were some of the other guys from about that time? JW talks about people called Good Buddy, Corn Bread, Joe DeMoorehead, Zoo Lawrence (?), and others.
00:29:04 JW talks about living in St. Louis. He talks about stealing turkeys.
00:32:20 JW talks about playing a dance in the country.
00:33:06 JW talks about the man named Corn Bread. His real name was Kid Douglas. He also talks about Red Lawrence.
00:35:45 JW talks about Blue Steel and shooting a Sheriff. He mentions Sleepy John Estes.
00:37:38 JW talks about his friend Blow Mouth, who could imitate any musical instrument with his mouth.
00:38:50 PW asks JW when he met Memphis Minnie. JW responds.
00:39:50 PW asks about Lead Belly. JW replies and also talks about playing with the Reverend Gary Davis.
00:43:04 PW asks about Mama Law. JW replies. He also talks about Horsehead Lulu and Stavin Chain.
00:48:00 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR041 Big Joe Williams interview #6, June 11, 1964
Rack number: RXH 3180
Extent: on one side of 1 sound tape reel (00:48:20) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, full track, mono ; 7 in.
Time Content
Start PW asks JW to talk more about the man called Blue Steel and his powers. JW tells the story of Blue Steel selling his soul to the devil.
00:03:15 PW asks JW what Blue Steel looked like, what kind of guy he was. JW answers.
00:04:20 They talk about the lodestone
00:05:16 More talk about the things Blue Steel did.
00:06:20 PW asks about Mama Law. JW says she was a conjure woman, a hoo-doo. He also talks about a lucky root, a John McConker (?) root.
00:09:41 PW asks about a mojo hand. JW responds. He also talks about lucky numbers.
00:13:15 PW asks JW if he was ever much of a gambler. JW responds. He talks about a card game called Georgia Skin.
00:16:37 JW talks about betting on cards.
00:17:20 JW says he basically earned his living from music, but he also had other jobs. He talks about quitting jobs after he became proficient at them.
00:21:22 JW talks about working in a grit mill, a mill that grinds corn. The miller would take a toll of corn for his fee. JW worked on mud slides driving teams of oxen.
00:24:35 PW asks where Mama Law got her special powers. JW says that she got her power from the devil, like a witch.
00:29:28 JW met a witch named Mama Mary. He tells about his time with her. She knows all about his family. He goes home with her and has a number of mystical experiences, including ones with a pet snake, a pet alligator, and a pet black cat.
00:35:25 PW asks from where Mama Mary got her money. JW answers. He saw exciting things and cures.
00:36:48 JW talks about Mother Williams, a woman preacher. She was JW's wife, and was a healer. JW sings a bit of "When I did the best I can, I want my crown."
00:43:16 PW asks where JW met Mother Williams. JW says he met her in the 1920s in Missouri. She travelled all over the world. He says they married around 1959. JW talks about his children.
00:46:50 PW asks about the first woman JW loved. He answers that her name was Malvina.
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR042 Big Joe Williams interview #7, June 11, 1964
Rack number: RXH 3181
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