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Series 8: Sound recordings (continued)
Subseries 1: Artists, bands, and interviews (continued)
Big Joe Williams interview #3, June 7, 1964 (continued)
Time Content
Start JW talks about the first things he remembers from when he was a little kid.
00:02:02 JW sings a religious song He learned from his grandmother. He talks about the song. He also talks about his grandfather being a sharecropper and how sharecropping worked.
00:05:50 JW talks about the sharecropping system. He also talks about the rental farming system.
00:08:55 JW talks about when he was a little kid, running away from his grandfather's place.
00:10:30 JW talks about his mother and his father. JW and PW talk about teen years then and now, and community standards.
00:15:52 JW talks about his parents growing up together. He talks about his step-father. He sings a song called "Mean step-Father."
00:20:10 PW asks about John Williams, JW's father. JW talks about his parents, grandparents and step-father. His mother and father were not married.
00:23:08 JW talks about staying with his aunts, uncles, and cousins when he was growing up. He says his full name is Joe Lee Williams.
00:25:34 JW talks about going to school (or not). HE talks about running away from home.
00:27:45 JW talks about playing a bucket. He talks about his grandfather's whipping belt.
00:31:00 JW sings a hymn "As Long As I Can Feel the Spirit." He learned this from his grandmother. He talks about his grandmother and grandfather.
00:32:36 JW talks about his suit and outfit. HE talks about his grandfather's mare. He talks about a family (Gilmore) he lived with until he was about 21 years old.
00:35:10 JW talks about a saw mill in Macon Mississippi where he worked.
00:39:58 JW talks about how much money the saw mill workers were paid. He talks about living in saw mill camps.
00:42:23 JW talks about music and musicians in the saw mill camps.
00:44:45 PW asks, "How old do you think the blues are?" PW answers.
00:47:51 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR039 Big Joe Williams interview #4, June 7, 1964
Rack number: RXH 3178
Extent: on one side of 1 sound tape reel (00:47:46) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, half track, mono ; 7 in.
Time Content
Start JW talks about catching fish, cooking them and making corn bread.
00:02:11 JW talks about fish fries.
00:06:02 PW asks about the kind of music played at a fish fry. JW replies.
00:07:13 (Note: The recording picks up at this point from SR038 ). JW talks about lumber camps.
00:07:38 PW asks about medicine shows. JW replies. The shows came to towns, not lumber camps. JW talks about the kinds of acts/performances in the shows. JW started travelling with medicine shows when he was 9 years old.
00:10:20 PW asks how medicine shows were put together and how did they travel. JW replies.
00:12:52 JW talks about his performing - dancing while playing the guitar.
00:14:11 JW talks a jug band he played with and recording with them.
00:15:40 JW talks about a "bad man" called King of the M and O Bottom, from Tuscaloosa, Alabama. (Note: JW said this person's name is something like "Toxie Cane")
00:20:33 JW talks about a week long picnic and hay ride in the wood in the late 1920s. He talks about the band that played.
00:23:56 PW asks when the "J.C. Collins thing (?)" was recorded. PW replies that it was 1927. JW then discusses this in some detail.
00:25:37 JW talks about his time playing and travelling with minstrel shows. He talks about how he was paid.
00:29:00 JW talks about some of the musicians who were part of the shows.
00:32:54 PW asks how JW got to make his first record. JW replies.
00:37:38 JW talks about King Solomon Hill. It was both a place in Alabama and a record label. JW talks about Bullet Williams and several other musicians.
00:39:26 JW talks, at length, about a harp player called George "Brother" Williams.
00:43:25 PW asks JW about when he was starting out as a musician, how did he know where to go to play music. JW replies.
00:45:31 PW asks JW when he knew he had a gift for music. JW answers and talks about some of the earliest songs he heard.
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR040 Big Joe Williams interview #5, June 7, 1964
Rack number: RXH 3179
Extent: on one side of 1 sound tape reel (00:48:00) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, half track, mono ; 7 in.
Time Content
Start JW tells a story about looking for treasure in 1943 or so.
00:02:52 JW tells another story about hunting for treasure with a money needle made of baling wire. He also talks about money diggers.
00:08:45 PW asks about ghosts. JW tells a story about a picnic and a ghost.
00:10:05 JW talks about a sharp shooter named Kenny Wagner.
00:16:10 JW talks about Joe DeMoorehead (?), Kid Washington (?), and someone called Blue Steel.
00:22:08 JW talks about Kid Washington being a gambler. He talks about what Blue Steel is doing now.
00:26:16 PW asks JW who were some of the other guys from about that time? JW talks about people called Good Buddy, Corn Bread, Joe DeMoorehead, Zoo Lawrence (?), and others.
00:29:04 JW talks about living in St. Louis. He talks about stealing turkeys.
00:32:20 JW talks about playing a dance in the country.
00:33:06 JW talks about the man named Corn Bread. His real name was Kid Douglas. He also talks about Red Lawrence.
00:35:45 JW talks about Blue Steel and shooting a Sheriff. He mentions Sleepy John Estes.
00:37:38 JW talks about his friend Blow Mouth, who could imitate any musical instrument with his mouth.
00:38:50 PW asks JW when he met Memphis Minnie. JW responds.
00:39:50 PW asks about Lead Belly. JW replies and also talks about playing with the Reverend Gary Davis.
00:43:04 PW asks about Mama Law. JW replies. He also talks about Horsehead Lulu and Stavin Chain.
00:48:00 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR041 Big Joe Williams interview #6, June 11, 1964
Rack number: RXH 3180
Extent: on one side of 1 sound tape reel (00:48:20) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, full track, mono ; 7 in.
Time Content
Start PW asks JW to talk more about the man called Blue Steel and his powers. JW tells the story of Blue Steel selling his soul to the devil.
00:03:15 PW asks JW what Blue Steel looked like, what kind of guy he was. JW answers.
00:04:20 They talk about the lodestone
00:05:16 More talk about the things Blue Steel did.
00:06:20 PW asks about Mama Law. JW says she was a conjure woman, a hoo-doo. He also talks about a lucky root, a John McConker (?) root.
00:09:41 PW asks about a mojo hand. JW responds. He also talks about lucky numbers.
00:13:15 PW asks JW if he was ever much of a gambler. JW responds. He talks about a card game called Georgia Skin.
00:16:37 JW talks about betting on cards.
00:17:20 JW says he basically earned his living from music, but he also had other jobs. He talks about quitting jobs after he became proficient at them.
00:21:22 JW talks about working in a grit mill, a mill that grinds corn. The miller would take a toll of corn for his fee. JW worked on mud slides driving teams of oxen.
00:24:35 PW asks where Mama Law got her special powers. JW says that she got her power from the devil, like a witch.
00:29:28 JW met a witch named Mama Mary. He tells about his time with her. She knows all about his family. He goes home with her and has a number of mystical experiences, including ones with a pet snake, a pet alligator, and a pet black cat.
00:35:25 PW asks from where Mama Mary got her money. JW answers. He saw exciting things and cures.
00:36:48 JW talks about Mother Williams, a woman preacher. She was JW's wife, and was a healer. JW sings a bit of "When I did the best I can, I want my crown."
00:43:16 PW asks where JW met Mother Williams. JW says he met her in the 1920s in Missouri. She travelled all over the world. He says they married around 1959. JW talks about his children.
00:46:50 PW asks about the first woman JW loved. He answers that her name was Malvina.
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR042 Big Joe Williams interview #7, June 11, 1964
Rack number: RXH 3181
Extent: on one side of 1 sound tape reel (00:47:00) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, full track, mono ; 7 in.
Time Content
Start JW talks about playing with two women: Malvina and Shilk (?), and his cousin, Thomas Styme (?), he played the "bazooka horn," the jazz horn. Malvina was a cook for white people. She and JW fell in love and traveled together.
00:06:50 Malvina could sing the blues. JW sings "I'm gonna get up in the mornin', walking down the lonesome line." He talks about Malvina and how he left her.
00:11:02 PW asks what kind of a woman was Malvina. JW says Malvina was a mean woman. He says she killed a man. JW talks about their relationship.
00:15:00 JW tells the story about he and Malvina at a dance. Another woman, named Amanda (Mandy), is involved. He was cut taking away a knife.
00:21:12 JW talks about his first wife, Ella Mae. They met in about 1921 and stayed together for about a year. He left her and went back on the road.
00:25:43 JW says he was making a living playing music and working. He borrowed $500 to buy furniture. To pay it back, he took a job but plowed only when he felt like it. This did not repay the loan. He took another job and finally did repay the loan.
00:28:35 PW asks about a record, "Stack of Dollars," the JW recorded in 1935. JW says he first recorded it in the 1920s. They discuss this.
00:29:32 PW and JW discuss JW's early recordings. PW consults a (unidentified) book. They talk about the songs and who performed them.
00:34:00 They discuss recording sessions for Blue Bird Records in 1933 and 1935. They discuss the performers on these and other recording sessions.
00:38:05 PW asks JW when he came across Sonny Boy Williamson. JW says it was about 1922. He talks about Sonny Boy at length. He also talks about a number of other musicians he travelled with. He talks about a guitar contest he won.
00:43:00 JW talks about Sonny Boy's recordings. JW says Sonny Boy's first hits were "Sugar Mama" and "School Girl."
00:47:00 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR043 Big Joe Williams interview #8, June 11, 1964
Rack number: RXH 3182
Extent: on one side of 1 sound tape reel (00:47:10) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, full track, mono ; 7 in.
Time Content
Start JW talks about some of the musicians with whom he played including Charlie Patton. He talks at length about Patton, his early recordings and his death.
00:06:30 JW talks about a contest he was n with Charlie Patton.
00:07:45 JW talks about Brother James, James Harding. He talks about Grant Malone, an organ player. He talks about a car wreck in which several people were killed, including Brother James.
00:11:08 PW asks "What kind of guy was Charlie Patton like?" JW responds.
00:13:18 PW asks JW if he ever met Son House. JW says he knew Son House well. He talks about him.
00:14:52 JW talks at length about Robert Johnson.
00:17:08 JW talks about Robert Johnson playing bottleneck guitar.
00:20:45 JW talks about Blind Willie McTell, who also played bottleneck guitar.
00:23:38 JW talks about Peetie Wheatstraw (William Bunch). He played guitar and piano. He was killed in a car wreck.
00:32:20 JW talks about bluesmen living in St. Louis. He talks about Walter Davis. JW and PW discuss some other musicians including Tommy Johnson and Ishman Bracey.
00:37:25 PW asks about Skip James. JW responds. He also talks about Chief, a one arm guitar player.
00:39:54 PW asks about other good singers from down in Mississippi. JW responds and specifically talks about Tom turner and Blind Teddy Darby (Theodore Roosevelt Darby).
00:47:10 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR315 Big Joe Williams, Jimmy Brown / Willie Lee Harris, March 12, 1964
Rack number: RXH 4201
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (00:03:22) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, mono ; 7 in.
Collector's original ID number: 34.
Archivist's note: Side 2 has not yet been digitized.
Vendor's digitization note: The program is distorted at times, and speed fluctuations from the tape. Side 1 has a sound gap (silence) from 00:02:13-00:02:52.
Logger's note: From the tape box - Big Joe Williams, guitar; Jimmy Brown, guitar; Willie Lee, harmonica.
Time Content
Start False start of songs. Blank.
00:03:00 A short fragment of an unidentified blues song.
00:04:44 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR316 John Williams, May 12, 1966
Rack number: RXH 4202
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (00:32:24) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, mono ; 7 in.
Collector's original ID number: 41.
Logger's note: According to the tape box, this recording seems to have been made in Chicago.
Time Content
Start "Catch My Pony, Saddle My Black Mare"
00:04:50 "Tammy Blues"
00:07:26 "Rather Be The Devil" (rough, false start)
00:11:12 "Hand Me Down My Walking Cane"
00:13:43 "Tammy Blues"
00:16:15 "Catfish Blues" (rough)
00:20:44 "Catfish Blues" (a little more deliberate) breaks off.
00:23:58 "Catfish Blues" (Strong rhythm)
00:29:09 "Catfish Blues" (very rough)
00:32:24 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR076 Robert Pete Williams interview, January 30, 1965
Rack number: RXH 3215
Extent: on one side of 1 sound tape reel (acetate; 00:35:00) : analog, 3 3/4 ips, full track, mono ; 7 in.
Logger's note: Pete Welding (PW) interviews Robert Pete Williams (RPW). Other people are present in the room. It seems that the SR begins in the midst of an ongoing conversation. There may be a recording that precedes this one.
Time Content
Start PW and RPW talk about playing blues and spirituals. RPW talks about being a Christian. He says the blues followed him all the time. He says he made his first guitar out of a cigar box at age 18 or 19. Later, he bought a used guitar.
00:05:55 PW asks when RPW first became aware that he had a gift for music. RPW responds.
00:06:41 PW asks what RPW thinks the blues are. RPW answers at length.
00:11:28 RPW says he walked away from Christ and stepped into trouble.
00:16:15 RPW talks about getting into trouble because he was carrying a gun. He talks about drinking wine.
00:19:23 PW says that it seems that the blues strongly pursue ROW. RPW replies. He says he feels good when he plays the blues. He tells a story about having the blues so bad that he could not sleep. They talk about a song.
00:24:29 RPW shows the 12 string guitar that he played on a song. PW asks how he learned to play. RPW answers at length.
00:27:29 PW asks RPW how old he was when he made his cigar box guitar. RPW responds. He talks about his home.
00:28:35 RPW talks about his parole from jail. He worked in dairy.
00:35:00 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR620 Robert Pete Williams #1, undated
Rack number: RXH 5481
Extent: 1 sound tape reel : analog ; 7 in.
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR610 Robert Pete Williams - dub of Oster Tape #2, undated
Rack number: RXH 5471
Extent: 1 sound tape reel : analog ; 7 in.
Collector's original ID number: 227.
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR159 Sonny Boy [Williamson] master, possibly 1965 or before
Rack number: RXH 4042
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (backcoated polyester, 00:24:19) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, half track, stereo ; 7 in.
The tape box has "S.B. master." Collector's original ID number: 137.
Archivist's note: Sonny Boy Williamson (sometimes self-styled as Sonny Boy Williamson II; d. 1965).
Logger's note: The lead singer is Sonny Boy Williamson II (Aleck Miller) with his blues band, including Buddy Guy.
Time Content
Start Instrumental music performed
00:01:58 The lead vocalist, Sonny Boy (SB), announces the accompanying musicians and performs his first song: "My Name is Sonny Boy"
00:04:50 SB and the band perform the next song, title is unknown
00:09:24 SB speaks to someone off stage while instrumental music plays
00:10:14 The next selection
00:13:31 The next song
00:18:33 The lead vocalist (possibly someone other than SB) and band perform the next song
00:21:24 SB and the band perform the last song, titled "Fattening Frogs for Snakes"
00:24:17 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR574 Sonny Boy Williamson, undated
Rack number: RXH 5435
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (00:28:34) : analog ; 7 in.
Dubs from commercial recordings.
Time Content
Start "Don't Lose Your Eye"
00:03:15 "Like Wolf"
00:06:13 "This is My Department"
00:08:58 "Have You Ever Been in Love"
00:11:55 "She Got Next to Me"
00:14:34 "Sweet Disposition"
00:17:34 "I Over Go Wrong"
00:20:21 "I Hold Up My hand (That Explains Everything)"
00:23:18 "Peach Tree"
00:25:58 "This Old Life"
00:28:34 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR582 Sonny Boy Williamson, #1, Side 1, undated
Rack number: RXH 5443
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (00:19:50) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, stereo ; 7 in.
Vendor's digitization note: The program is distorted at times.
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR583 Sonny Boy Williamson, #2, undated
Rack number: RXH 5444
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (00:07:26) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, stereo ; 7 in.
Vendor's digitization note: The program is distorted at times.
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR584 Sonny Boy Williamson, Side 2
Rack number: RXH 5445
Extent: 1 sound tape reel : analog ; 7 in.
Collector's original ID number: 39.
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR451 Bob Wills #1, undated
Rack number: RXH 4691
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (00:34:00) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, stereo ; 7 in.
Vendor's digitization note: The program is distorted at times.
Time Content
Start "Lila Lou" by Bob Wills
00:02:45 "Just A Wearied Mind" by Bob Wills
00:05:40 "Just A Little Maiden's Prayer" by Bob Wills
00:08:33 "Twin Guitar" by Bob Wills
00:11:22 "Twin Guitar" by Bob Wills [clicks throughout]
00:14:12 "Blue Bonnet Lane" by Bob Wills
00:16:48 An unidentified piece played by the band.
00:19:21 An unidentified piece played by the band.
00:21:56 "Little Liza Jane" by Bob Wills
00:24:36 "My Little Cherokee Maid" by Bob Wills
00:27:38 "Ride On" by Bob Wills (yodel insert at the end)
00:30:35 "San Antonio Rose" by Bob Wills
00:34:00 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR752 Bob Wills #1, undated
Rack number: RAA 59290
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (01:09:46) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, half track, stereo ; 10 in.
Vendor's digitization note: The program has distortion and hiss from the source tape. The source tape also had print-through.
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR452 Bob Wills #2, undated
Rack number: RXH 4692
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (00:32:14) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, stereo ; 7 in.
Vendor's digitization note: The program is distorted at times.
Time Content
Start "Got A Letter From My Kid Today" by Bob Wills
00:02:38 "It's All Your Fault" by Bob Wills
00:05:27 "Goodnight, Little Sweetheart, Goodnight" by Bob Wills
00:08:06 "Dusty Skies" by Bob Wills
00:11:01 "Hang Your Head In Shame" by Bob Wills
00:13:36 "Hang Your Head In Shame" by Bob Wills
00:16:16 "Hang Your Head In Shame" by Bob Wills
00:18:48 "Hang Your Head In Shame" by Bob Wills
00:21:26 "Smoke On The Water" by Bob Wills
00:24:12 "Texas Playboy Rag" (instrumental piece)
00:27:01 "Texas Playboy Rag" (instrumental piece)
00:29:39 "Bluer Than Blue" by Bob Wills [incomplete; ends abruptly]
00:32:14 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR753 Bob Wills #2, undated
Rack number: RAA 59291
Extent: 1 sound tape reel : analog, 7 1/2 ips, full track, mono ; 10 in.
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR453 Bob Wills #3, undated
Rack number: RXH 4693
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (00:31:53) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, stereo ; 7 in.
Vendor's digitization note: The program is distorted at times.
Time Content
Start "Bluer Than Blue"
00:02:47 "Roly Poly"
00:05:25 "You Should Have Thought Of That Before"
00:08:02 "I Can't Go On"
00:10:46 "I'm Wasting My Time On You"
00:13:20 "Easy Rocking Chair"
00:15:56 "I'm Just a plain Old Country Boy"
00:18:48 "Silver Dew On the Blue Grass"
00:21:20 "I'm So Glad I Met You"
00:23:57 "New Spanish Two-Step"
00:26:29 "Sugar Moon"
00:29:01 "Brain Cloudy Blues"
00:31:53 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR454 Bob Wills #4, undated
Rack number: RXH 4694
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (00:15:37) : analog, 7 1/2 ips, stereo ; 7 in.
Vendor's digitization note: The program is distorted at times.
Time Content
Start "Brain Cloudy Blues"
00:02:58 "I Got A Cinder In My Eye"
00:05:23 "Virginia"
00:07:54 "Fat Boy Rag"
00:10:46 "The Kind of Love I Can't Forget"
00:13:27 "Drum Test" (An instrumental piece)
00:15:37 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR085 Al Wilson interview, January 29, 1968
Rack number: RXH 3223
Extent: 1 sound tape reel (polyester; Side 1: 01:05:10; Side 2: 00:29:00) : analog, 3 3/4 ips, half track, mono ; 7 in.
Side 1
Time Content
Start PW and AW talk about the forming of AW's band, Canned Heat, in November of 1965. AW talks about the turnover of band personnel. He commends the band's management.
00:03:16 AW attributes Canned Heat's early success to the absence of the word "blues" in the band's name. He talks about being part of another band, for a short period, before Canned Heat came together again in early 1967. He talks about some of the band members and their interest in specific forms of music.
00:07:00 AW says that the makeup of Canned Heat now is 100% committed to the blues. PW and AW talk about the appearance of the band and the music itself. AW talks about the coffee house and college circuit market. AW discusses various blues bands and where they stand in the market. He says he's concerned that the popular interest in the blues will not last more than a year or two.
00:11:10 PW asks if AW considered the blues as something distinct from the larger body of rock, folk rock and experimental rock. AW answers and explains his answer. He says that there is a blues buying public.
00:12:58 They talk about Canned Heat's audience and other performers with a similar audience.
00:15:30 PW asks what Canned Heat set out to do when the band was formed. AW answers in detail and at length.
00:21:00 PW asks about changes as the band has been working over the last year and a half. AW responds.
00:22:10 PW asks about translating older style blues to Canned Heat's repertoire. AW responds.
00:25:20 They talk about the liner notes PW wrote for Caned Heat's first album. They talk about the modal approach to playing the blues and the harmonic approach. They talk about the 12-bar blues structure.
00:32:04 PW asks how large a repertoire the band has now. AW responds and explains how songs are dropped and added.
00:34:40 They talk about adapting old-style blues to electric instruments. They talk about taking "licks" from old recordings.
00:36:30 PW asks where most of the band's material comes from. AW replies and gives examples.
00:38:28 PW asks about the kinds of places the band has been working in the last few months. AW responds: clubs, psychedelic spaces, and one-night concerts. He explains. They discuss the audiences at these venues.
00:43:25 They talk about how long the listening public will be interested in the blues. They discuss if there will be an audience for black blues singers (and bands). They discuss black blues players and white blues players. They discuss old blues players and young blues players. They talk about singing the blues.
00:54:40 dead air
00:55:06 AW continues taking about blues singers and recordings. He says Canned Heat added brass for its recordings.
00:58:19 PW asks about other working groups that AW finds interesting. AW replies and discusses several performers and bands.
01:05:10 End
Side 2
Time Content
Start AW abut Taj Mahal, the tuning(s) he uses, and his style of playing the blues.
00:01:47 PW asks if AW has encountered any interesting bands while he has been on the road. AW responds and gives examples.
00:06:08 PW asks if Canned Heat has played in New York. AW answers. He says they had a better reaction at Club 47 in Boston, than they did in New York.
00:07:00 PW asks about the problems playing amplified blues versus acoustic blues. AW responds. He talks about sounds available to amplified music. They talk at length about writing new material.
00:13:17 PW asks how much of the band's repertoire is original material. AW answers. He discusses the language of song lyrics. They discuss the transition from speech to song.
00:21:50 AW talks about using new instruments and new sounds. He specifically mentions the Fender Bass. He talks about rhythm sections and the blues.
00:29:00 End
Item-ID: AFC 2011/053: SR685 George Wilson and Arthur Baker, undated
Rack number: RXH 5562
Extent: 1 sound tape reel : analog ; 7 in.
Dubs of commercial recordings.
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